No Change
Hello, Just to let u all know that since I’ve been usin the honey
(about 2wks) there have not been any change. The condition has’nt
gotten worst either. So I guess I’ll continue to use it a bit longer,
see what happens. You know, for the longest while one of the things
I’ve noticed since I’ve had seb derm is that at mornings after
awaking, for about 30-45 minutes there is a significant improvement
on my skin, it’s like ‘wow’, but before I know it it’s back to square
one. Maybe my condition has something to do with stress. I don’t
know, cause I really don’t have a hectic schedule. By the way TONY,
thanks for your sympathy. Gayelle
August 16th, 2004 at 9:19 pm
Have you tried warm salt water soaks for your seb derm. It pretty much cured
mine, along with topical Noritate.
August 16th, 2004 at 11:46 pm
Just regular salt? I’ve certainly noticed when I was at the beach a
few weeks ago that any skin problems I had were virtually gone and
that was without using protopic, jojoba oil or anything on my face
(except my usual sunscreen). I definitely feel it was the salt
water that helped along with being in a stress free environment.
I just received some Dead Sea salt that I was going to experiment
with.
eric
August 17th, 2004 at 5:37 pm
Yes, I use regular table salt. I put water with the salt in the microwave
and warm it up enough to dissolve the salt. Then I use a clean wash cloth and
soak my face for about 5 minutes. The cloth does not have to be soaking wet.
Just moist. When the cloth cools off I just rewet it and reapply till the
five minutes is up. Make sure the water is not too hot. You are not trying to
steam your face, you are just trying to keep the moist salted cloth against
your skin for at least five minutes.
I then wash my face as normal with Eucerin face wash and then I apply the
noritate. I originally was given noritate for rosacea, but it cleared up the
seb
derm, not the rosacea. I ended up getting laser treatments for the rosacea.
Good luck. I hope this works for you too.
August 18th, 2004 at 2:13 am
Goldie,
i was reading your recent emails about niotrate and laser treatments. There
is a study currently conducted in texas about laser treatment for Seb derm.
How is your rosacia now after the laser treatments? Did it ever come back
after the laser treatments? and who suggested to you about the laser
treatments?
Thanks Goldie
Tony the baloney the one and only
August 18th, 2004 at 1:55 pm
In a message dated 7/30/2003 8:22:33 AM Central Daylight Time, tonycarezo@… writes:
I have been messing around with lasers for my rosacea for over 10 years now. The first two treatments I had were with the original pulse dye laser. It worked great, but the recovery time was long and my skin was left looking a little mottled, but easy to cover with make up. Then the Photoderm came along and around that time my rosacea was coming back. I blame my relapse on nasalcort nose spray. I started Photoderm with the promise that it would clear most of the redness. Well, it was a total nightmare. It just made things so much worse.
Just this past April I had my first V-beam treatment. It is a fifth generation pulse dye laser. The results are amazing. I just had my second one done two weeks ago, and I can already see that this second treatment also has made a big difference. I would bet that I might only need one more treatment, which I will probabaly but off till the fall or winter months.
Where is this study going on about laser for seb derm. At UT Southwest? I can honestly say that the v-beam has no effect on the oiliness of my skin one way or the other. The photoderm made me breakout badly (which I never had before) and took a year to clear up after my last photoderm. When I mean break out, it was within 24 hours of my first treatment my face was covered with tiny bumps. There was absolutely no doubt it was the photoderm. They kept telling me it was an inflammtory reaction that would calm down. Well, it did, but it took a year.
I understand that there is a laser called the Smoothbeam, which is supposed to shrink down the oil glands in the skin and clear up acne and probably could help seb derm, since it is caused my excess oil on the skin also. The woman who does my v-beam got rid of her Smoothbeam because it was a very painful laser to use. Now, that is just her opinion.
If you have anymore questions let me know.
August 18th, 2004 at 10:31 pm
what about this niotrate ointment,. is it steroid free, and what are the
side effects
tony
August 19th, 2004 at 10:13 am
In a message dated 7/30/2003 12:31:38 PM Central Daylight Time, tonycarezo@… writes:
It is spelled “Noritate”, and yes it is steroid free. It is a topical prescription cream made for Rosacea. But, for some reason, it cleared up my sebderm.
August 19th, 2004 at 12:40 pm
The medicine in it is actually an anti-bacterial or fungal. So that
is probably why it helped with the seb derm as well.
Eric
August 20th, 2004 at 1:05 am
Noritate is 1% metronidozole in a cream base .It is not an anti-
fungal and it
is thought that it is the anti-inflammatory properties of the
cream that can help with seb derm.Here is a clinical trial
which was done on the cream for seb derm.
Rory
Does treatment with topical metronidazole improve seborrheic
dermatitis?
Parsad D, Pandhi R, Negi KS, Kumar B. Topical metronidazole in
seborrheic dermatitis: a double-blind study. Dermatology 2001;
202:35-37.
• BACKGROUND Current topical treatments of seborrheic dermatitis
include steroids, selenium sulfide, pyrithione zinc, coal tar
preparations, terbinafine, ketoconazole, and ultraviolet
phototherapy. Topical steroids are often of limited use because of
disease chronicity. Randomized controlled trials with bifonazole
shampoo, ketoconazole cream, and lithium succinate ointment claim
clinical efficacy.1-4 Topical metronidazole has never been evaluated
in the treatment of seborrheic dermatitis.
• POPULATION STUDIED The study participants were 44 adults (mean
age=24 years; range: 19-40 years) clinically diagnosed with
seborrheic dermatitis in a specialty setting. The patients were to
have discontinued any other topical treatments at least 2 weeks
before enrollment. The study took place in India, but the clinical
setting was not further detailed.
• STUDY DESIGN AND VALIDITY The patients were randomly assigned by
an undisclosed method (allocation concealment uncertain) to either
the treatment (n=22) or placebo group (n=22). The treatment group
applied 1% metronidazole gel to affected areas twice daily. The
placebo group applied only the vehicle gel in an identical container
with the same frequency. Six sites were evaluated (scalp, eyebrows,
bridge of the nose, nasolabial folds, posterior ears, and chest) for
signs and symptoms (erythema, scales, papules, and pruritus) at 2-
week intervals for 8 weeks. A numerical grade (0=clear; 1=mild;
2=moderate; 3=severe) was given for each sign or symptom at each
site and then totaled for an overall severity score. Patients were
questioned regarding adverse effects and concomitant medication use
at each visit. A global evaluation was made at the final visit.
Patients were ascertained to have complete clearing, marked
improvement, moderate improvement, or slight improvement. They were
analyzed in their respective randomized groups; however, persons not
completing the study were not included for analysis.
• OUTCOMES MEASURED The primary outcomes measured were seborrheic
dermatitis severity scores and global evaluation of clinical
improvement. The clinical tolerability of treatment versus placebo
was also evaluated.
• RESULTS Twenty-one patients (95%) were included for analysis in
the treatment group and 17 (77%) in the placebo group. Baseline
severity scores and the distribution of seborrheic dermatitis were
not found to be significantly different between treatment groups.
One patient in the treatment group left for reasons unrelated to the
study. Five patients in the placebo group left for lack of clinical
improvement or worsening disease. At 8 weeks, the mean severity
score between the treatment and placebo groups was 28.5 versus 7.9
(P <.001), respectively. The difference was statistically
significant as early as 2 weeks. Fourteen patients in the treatment
group versus 2 patients in the placebo group were noted to have
marked improvement or complete clearing at the global evaluation (P
<.0001; number needed to treat=2).
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CLINICAL PRACTICE
This small, reasonably well-done study indicates that topical
metronidazole is effective in the treatment of seborrheic
dermatitis. Although not adequately powered, this study also reveals
no clinically significant side effects from the treatment. The high
baseline severity scores and specialty setting makes me wonder if
the patients had more significant or refractory disease than seen in
a primary care setting, and thus would have a greater response to
therapy versus placebo. Ketoconazole cream is slightly cheaper than
metronidazole gel (approximately $48 vs $62 for 45 oz) and also has
been shown to be efficacious with once-daily application. Head-to-
head studies in a family practice setting would be helpful. In the
meantime, topical metronidazole appears to be an effective
alternative in the treatment of seborrheic dermatitis.
A. Christian Iudica,
August 20th, 2004 at 4:39 pm
Thanks for the copy of the study done about Noritate for seb derm. The
interesting thing is that I had tried Ketoconazole before the Noritate with no
results. But, I had not yet started the warm salt water soaks either. I truly
believe the comibination of the salt water soaks and the Noritate is what
cleared my skin up.