redness
hi all,
i pretty much have my seb derm under control now. unfortunately, the redness is
still pretty much the same. i have been trying a facial redness remedy
containing vitamin k but it doesn’t seem to be doing much. does anyone have any
tip and other things to try?
i thought that the redness would be relieved with the control of the sebderm.
cheers,
March 14th, 2004 at 2:51 pm
James try the Green tea wash, boil one green tea bag in about 45 ml of
water, then dab on face with the tea bag, let it dry. Do this at night,
before going to bed apply a moisturizer cause if you dont you get dry
flakes, i use DML lotion or Neem Oil. Others in here have suggested a green
tea cream. It reduces my redness dramitically
tony the baloney the one and only
March 14th, 2004 at 9:25 pm
ahhh wow! nice one tony "that ain’t no baloney" :O) i thought the green tea
wash thing was for controlling the flakiness. off to the shops…
March 15th, 2004 at 6:57 am
Hey Tony–I picked up some Coral Calcium on Saturday–I have been taking 3
pills a day as the label says but don’t see any real difference yet–are you
taking the same amount or more and how long before you noticed a difference.
The forecast for south florida this week is warm and sunny, but if you
looked at my forehead, you would think we just got a foot or two of snow–my
flaking is just out of control right now (the redness is down but the flakes
are insane)
Thanks,
RJ
March 15th, 2004 at 9:18 pm
I was taking 3 pills a day, but the jar says up to six, i saw results after
2 weeks. Remember I was also doing the green tea wash, with DML moisturizer
and Neem Oil. I hope it works RJ, i really do.
tony
good luck bro
March 16th, 2004 at 7:27 am
James i hope it works for you, it worked for me
good luck
tony
March 16th, 2004 at 5:36 pm
Hey Ralph i paid close attention to your last email, you say your in south
florida, where abouts im in tampa bay.
tony the baloney the one and only
March 16th, 2004 at 11:33 pm
I’m in Naples–used to live over in Boynton Beach but like it much better on
the west coast–
I think all the recent cold and dry weather down here has also worsened my
skin–my skin looked really really good all summer and fall–
Good to see those Bucs finally get the big win!
rj
March 17th, 2004 at 10:19 am
thanks. i picked up some pure green tea last night but didn’t get a chance to
try it. one thing i did try tho was pure witch hazel gel. and today my redness
is much, much better. also worth a try i think. green tea is next on the list!
:O)
take care,
james.
March 17th, 2004 at 10:38 pm
I’ve also bought a bottle of Hemp Oil because I’ve
heard it is very good for internal use as it has just
the right amount of EFAs for good skin and has been
found to be very effective against Eczema. I’m going
to finish my course of Minocin then start all the
alternative methods I think (I’ve got another
prescription ready on standby though!).
Anyway, good luck everyone and my thoughts are truly
with you all in this ‘War on Sebderm’!
Love
Dan
——————————–
James try the Green tea wash, boil one green tea bag
in about 45 ml of
water, then dab on face with the tea bag, let it dry.
Do this at night,
before going to bed apply a moisturizer cause if you
dont you get dry
flakes, i use DML lotion or Neem Oil. Others in here
have suggested a green
tea cream. It reduces my redness dramitically
tony the baloney the one and only
March 18th, 2004 at 10:12 am
pure witch hazel, ill give it a shot
tony
March 18th, 2004 at 4:45 pm
cool. its amazing stuff. i burnt myself real bad cooking a few years ago and
covered it straight away in this gel. 10 mins later you wouldn’t have known i
had. it didn’t burn, scar go red or anything. you can also get it in liquid
distilled form.
also after just one application last night i woke up and the skin on my forehead
felt smoother than it has in months. i’ve put my normal moisturiser on today
and usually my face still feels greasy until, like, 5 in the afternoon. all the
moisturiser was absorbed by the time i got to work today at 9am. and it still
feels great without any extra moisturiser needed. one really nice thing about
this gel is that it makes your skin feel really cold when its first applied,
that alone gave me some relief right away. its a great astringent as well.
i only thought to try witch hazel in this respect last night walking around the
supermarket. after the burn incident i already know my skin reacts very
positively to witch hazel so i went for it.
check this out for you guys in the US
March 22nd, 2004 at 1:57 am
hey tony,
how many apps did it take before the green tea wash started to reduce the
redness?
March 22nd, 2004 at 3:42 pm
about 3 days for me, and on the weekend i went out to the beach. Sunlight
must have done my face pretty good to. Two days now, no redness whatsoever
tony
March 22nd, 2004 at 10:15 pm
wow! am looking forward to that…
i wonder what the qualities of green tea are that have a positive effect? have
you tried a green tea facial wash of anything yet?
March 23rd, 2004 at 12:00 pm
I havnt tried a Green Tea facial wash, but RJ has mentioned that there is a
Green Tea Cream/Ointment. I will buy some once my neem oil runs out. Also
has anyone considered or seen a HOMEOPATH. Someone who deals in hollistic
and natural medicines. If so please let me know, im considering about
seeing one.
thanks
tony the baloney the one and only
July 23rd, 2004 at 11:21 am
hello
i"m 28 years old, suffering from seb derm for about 7 years now,with
its
regular symptom’s like dry/oily skeen with flecks.
my sebderm have always been only in my face- between the eye brows
and
around the nose(t zone).
for the past year my seb derm turned different: my skin is not dry at
all with no flecks
butt very oily and red, when i squeeze my skin a white-yellow grease
is
coming out. i have tried the green tea wash with no help, the
topic lotion or medicine that have helped my before (when it was
flaky
and dry) doest help me now.
does anyone have, or experienced this kind of condition ?
does anyone know what i can do or try?
thank you very much.
July 23rd, 2004 at 11:31 pm
Hi,
I would suggest you try the Sensitive skin facial cleanser from
Cutanix combined with the DRL sensitive skin lotion (morning and
night). The DRL from Cutanix works very well for me, and many others
in this group.
Other than that, ask your dermatologist about low dose or regular
dose accutane. It will reduce the symptoms of seb derm. If your derm
says low dose accutane is not something they use, he IS LYING OR
DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. There are dermatologists who
have seborrheic dermatitis themselves who prescribe low dose accutane
for own use. If you have any acne as well, you should check it out.
Dr Nase has these updates on seb derm therapies:
———————————————
There are several goals to these treatments:
1. Remove superficial crusting and flakes
2. Clear pores of hardened sebum, follicular hyperkeratinization,
and cellular debris
3. Treat yeast and bacteria within the pore
4. Decrease erythema (facial redness) caused by seborrheic
dermatitis
5. Decrease extremely sensitive skin that is a common byproduct of
seborrheic dermatitis
The Treatments Include:
(1) Ovace Facial Cleanser (10% Sodium Sulfacetamide, No Sulfur) –
This has received a tremendous amount of good press in the Journal
of the American Academy of Dermatology as being highly effective and
very gentle. Lather and leave on face for 5 to 10 minutes. Then
rinse.
(2) 2% Ketoconazole Foaming Gel (Currently available in Europe and
over the Internet). This new cleanser was the result of positive
reports stemming from topical Ketoconazole creams. The main
drawback to the cream was irritation in a significant percentage of
patients that caused them to discontinue treatment; Thus a gentler
cleanser was developed with the same active ingredient. Lather and
leave on face for 5 to 10 minutes. Then rinse. BTW, I highly
discourage the use of the ketoconazole shampoo or suds from the
shampoo on the facial skin as this was not designed for sensitive
facial skin.
(3) Plexion SCT (Short Contact Therapy; 10% Sodium Sulfacetamide &
5% Sulfur). This is extremely new with very little track record.
It is basically a silica-based cream that you place on your face for
10 minutes (until it dries like a facial mask). Then you wash it
away. It is to be used once or twice a week at nighttime. It was
developed for moderate to severe seborrheic dermatitis and moderate
to severe papulopustular rosacea. It is not to be used on ultra-
sensitive skin or frequent/intense facial flushers. The description
in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology
states, "Exclusive mode of application – Apply, allow to dry and
rinse away impurities. Unique silica base designed to help lift
sebum, bacteria, free fatty acids, debris and chemotactic agents
from the follicle".
(4) Ciclopiroxolamine 1% Cleanser (Potent Anti-Fungal): The active
ingredient in this new prescription treatment is one of the most
potent anti-fungals on the market; it has been found to be more
effective than clotrimazole, econazole, ketoconazole, miconazole,
tioconazole, fluconazole and itraconazole. This cleanser is
relatively gentle and extremely effective – most only need to use it
2 to 3 times a week to maintain clearance of seb. derm symptoms.
(5) Ciclopiroxolamine 1% Cream (Potent Anti-Fungal in Cream Form).
Same active ingredient as in the cleanser above, but in overnight
cream form for those with more stubborn cases of seborrheic
dermatitis. May be used in conjunction with cleanser to help
penetration of active ingredient deep down into pores and sebaceous
gland lobules.
———————————–
THIS GUY KNOWS what he is talking about. However, I do think you
should check out the DRL first. If your skin is not very sensitive,
you could go for the oily and acne skin version of the DRL. visit
www.cutanix.com and ask if you can have a sample. This company
offer very good service.
Best wishes,
Mads
February 12th, 2005 at 7:39 pm
Hi,
Have you checked out the DRL lotion from www.cutanix.com ?
There have been a lot of mentioning of it on this group, many people
find it very helpful.
It works to block inflammation and itching like a corticosteroid,
with no side effects.
I have been using it for quite a while, and am very pleased.
If you have oily skin, try the oily skin version of the DRL, if you
do not have oily skin, try the sensitive skin or the extra strength
version.
It works as a moisturizer as well, so that way you get two things in
one lotion, reducing inflammation and adding moisture.
Other than that, I find the Linda Sy Acne Cover Lotion to be very
good. It is a lotion/liquid in skin colour containing sulfur. You
apply this on your seborrheic red areas, and it will conceal it very
nicely. I find sulfur to be a very good agent against seborrheic
dermatitis. Linda Sy is a dermatologist with her own range of
products, and I have found her very friendly and helpful.
www.lindasy.com
Dont hesitate to ask if you have any questions (use my email)
Best wishes,
May 22nd, 2006 at 10:11 pm
Hi group, I wondered if anyone knew of a product
that was effective against the redness in SD? Yes, I
have dry skin, thanks and my SD is on my face.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:57 am
Try Dermadoctor’s Calm Cool and Corrected lotion. Several other
people on the list use it and it seems to work for them. I just
started using it a couple of days ago, so I can’t say for sure, but
it seems to be helping a bit with redness and irritation. It’s
expensive, $85 from her website, but you can get it on Ebay for $65.
Tim
May 25th, 2006 at 7:21 pm
Steve,
Dermadoctor’s "Calm Cool & Corrected" is made primarily for those
who have rosacea. It helps reduce inflammation and was designed to
be complimentary with all prescription rosacea regimens.
For Seborrheic Dermatitis, fragrances is a common skin irritants.
Also avoid external Irritants like Tony Baloney. He’s known for
getting under peoples skin.
Best to you,
Dan
July 9th, 2007 at 1:43 am
I am curious whether the scaling/flakes or redness is the worst part
of seborrheic dermatitis for you guys? As for me personally, I don’t
relaly have flakes but am very annoyed by redness. Do most of the
treatments mentioned on this board deal with both or just one or the
other?
As for me, I’ve recently began using the Cutanix DRL substitute from
skinactives to deal with the redness, but would love input from
others. My SD is around my nose and I’ve tried hydrocortisone (quickly
stopped after learning more about it), nizoral, loprox, elidel, ACV,
and honey. I hope the pseudo-Cutanix works.
Thanks.
July 9th, 2007 at 11:51 am
On my scalp: flaking, serpent-like
On my face: red spots or lesions, itchy or burning
It would be cool if you kept us posted on the Cutanix. I’ve been using
Protopic (similar to Elidel I believe) for four years. It’s not great,
but it helps sometimes.
July 11th, 2007 at 12:39 am
I’ve been diagnosed with both sebderm and rosacea and/or BOTH,
depending which doctor of mine you ask. I have dandruff on my scalp and
scaling on my face which to me is clearly sebderm. While I can almost
completely eliminate the flaking and scaling, the redness on my face
persists - even after I tried various treatments for rosacea
(antibiotics, steroids, azelaic acid creams, etc). I think the redness
is a rosacea problem, but I honestly don’t know for sure.
For me, the best I can do is keep my sebderm flaking under control, use
plenty of sunscreen, and wash my face with Cetaphyl bar cleanser to
reduce oils and irritation that make my redness worse. If you can find
something that works in addition to this, I’m all ears!
Jon
July 14th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
i’m very curious where this sudden discussion about MSM came from. not
) but it doesn’t seem to have had much popularity.
that i’m against it or anything (i’m actually giving it a shot as we
speak
July 15th, 2007 at 10:42 am
MSM has been discussed, here, for at least 5 years. You can
search the group message archive if you want to review what
has been posted.
July 15th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
Mike Pagan wrote:
I’ve been taking it pretty regularly since about 2000. I
started taking it in the hope of improving my brittle nails.
It hasn’t done a lot for them, but after 6 months or so, I
suddenly realized that all my old, childhood scars were
disappearing. It is not a drug or a vitamin, but a simple
nutrient, occurring in all living tissue. It is claimed to
be involved in amino acid production, and helpful for the
construction of the proteins in all tissue. Unfortunately,
it is quite heat sensitive, as you can demonstrate by
lighting one of the MSM pills. It breaks down into methane
ans sulfur dioxide, with very little heat, and burns with a
beautiful blue flame, leaving nothing behind except the
binder. So, though it is common and part of food, it is
missing once the food is cooked. If you live on sushi and
raw fruit and vegetables or other uncooked food, you don’t
need to take the pills. You already get plenty.