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		<title>By: Imelda Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-541</link>
		<author>Imelda Porter</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firstly i wanna say that i agree with you dave.

western medicine practises, ironically, suffers from chronic shortsightedness...

it was this paragraph from your initial mail that caused me to think you were
expecting a cure.

&#60;dave&#62;

If they aren't going to change how they deal with disease then
they
should at least be up front and honest with us. The first things out
of their mouths should be, &#34;Look, the best I can do is offer you
temporary relief of some of your symptoms. I have no idea what
causes these skin problems and I certainly cannot offer you any kind
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of cure. The treatments I prescribe lose effectiveness over time and
do have side effects, especially if used over a long period of time.
We don't know what the long term side effects are for the newer
treatments.&#34;

&#60;/dave&#62;

sorry for the misunderstanding.

however i do go back to my point in that its our responsibility to find what
works for us best anyway (with some help from a derm). i've just taken two days
off any sort of treatment and my face is much less red than its been for ages!!
go figure! :O) i don't get it yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firstly i wanna say that i agree with you dave.</p>
<p>western medicine practises, ironically, suffers from chronic shortsightedness&#8230;</p>
<p>it was this paragraph from your initial mail that caused me to think you were<br />
expecting a cure.</p>
<p>&lt;dave&gt;</p>
<p>If they aren&#8217;t going to change how they deal with disease then<br />
they<br />
should at least be up front and honest with us. The first things out<br />
of their mouths should be, &quot;Look, the best I can do is offer you<br />
temporary relief of some of your symptoms. I have no idea what<br />
causes these skin problems and I certainly cannot offer you any kind<br />
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of cure. The treatments I prescribe lose effectiveness over time and<br />
do have side effects, especially if used over a long period of time.<br />
We don&#8217;t know what the long term side effects are for the newer<br />
treatments.&quot;</p>
<p>&lt;/dave&gt;</p>
<p>sorry for the misunderstanding.</p>
<p>however i do go back to my point in that its our responsibility to find what<br />
works for us best anyway (with some help from a derm). i&#8217;ve just taken two days<br />
off any sort of treatment and my face is much less red than its been for ages!!<br />
go figure! :O) i don&#8217;t get it yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Blair</title>
		<link>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-540</link>
		<author>Blair Blair</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2004 13:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think maybe that the Biogen product called Amevive may be a step in the
right direction however--Amevive targets the T-cells that are directly
resposible for skin inflammation

The main controversy of Amevive is whether or not it has undesirable side
effects on other T-cell functions--so far, it seems like the side effects
are minimal but then again you can never trust a drug company when they talk
about side effects

IMHO, I think this product will be the closest thing to a cure we can hope
for in the foreseeable future--best thing about this drug also is that it is
an injection and not a topical so we won't have to worry about increased
local sensitivity/irritation/etc etc.

This product should be receiving final FDA approval any day now and should
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be covered by most health plans (like Enbrel is). Now I just need to
convince my derm that my mild psoriasis on my knees and elbows is enough for
him to give me the RX as I am sure derms won't be prescribing this for seb
derm. To that end, I have purposefully NOT been treating my psoriasis and
it has gotten slightly worse over the past few months.

My plan the day I go to see him about Amevive is to scrath the hell out of
it so that is bleeding and very inflamed and just tell &#34;Nothing is working,
please give me Amevive to end this madness&#34;--

RJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think maybe that the Biogen product called Amevive may be a step in the<br />
right direction however&#8211;Amevive targets the T-cells that are directly<br />
resposible for skin inflammation</p>
<p>The main controversy of Amevive is whether or not it has undesirable side<br />
effects on other T-cell functions&#8211;so far, it seems like the side effects<br />
are minimal but then again you can never trust a drug company when they talk<br />
about side effects</p>
<p>IMHO, I think this product will be the closest thing to a cure we can hope<br />
for in the foreseeable future&#8211;best thing about this drug also is that it is<br />
an injection and not a topical so we won&#8217;t have to worry about increased<br />
local sensitivity/irritation/etc etc.</p>
<p>This product should be receiving final FDA approval any day now and should<br />
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be covered by most health plans (like Enbrel is). Now I just need to<br />
convince my derm that my mild psoriasis on my knees and elbows is enough for<br />
him to give me the RX as I am sure derms won&#8217;t be prescribing this for seb<br />
derm. To that end, I have purposefully NOT been treating my psoriasis and<br />
it has gotten slightly worse over the past few months.</p>
<p>My plan the day I go to see him about Amevive is to scrath the hell out of<br />
it so that is bleeding and very inflamed and just tell &quot;Nothing is working,<br />
please give me Amevive to end this madness&quot;&#8211;</p>
<p>RJ</p>
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		<title>By: Adolph Trudie</title>
		<link>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-539</link>
		<author>Adolph Trudie</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2004 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree 100%

tony the baloney the one and only</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree 100%</p>
<p>tony the baloney the one and only</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin Reese</title>
		<link>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-538</link>
		<author>Marvin Reese</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-538</guid>
		<description>I wasn't trying to say that dermatologists are telling people
they
can cure skin diseases. I've been to many dermatologists over
the
years, and I can't recall any of them telling me they can cure
anything.

The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion most
dermatologists are not up front about the long term prognosis that
their treatments offer people with skin diseases. They certainly
don't tell their patients that they only treat the symptoms and
they
don't focus on what causes the disease. And most of them are not
interested in what causes the disease. They show virtually no
interest in exploring the relationship that your diet, stress, the
&lt;!--more--&gt;
environment or other factors may have in causing your disease. The
next time you talk with your dermatologist try getting past talking
about treating symptoms and see where the conversation goes. It will
go nowhere.

You'll never hear a dermatologist say, &#34;I only treat the
symptoms of
your disease, not the cause, so unless your body heals itself nothing
I prescribe for you will offer you a long term resolution of your
skin problem.&#34; But that's exactly the way it is. This is
the way
dermatology was fifty years ago, and I bet you money it will be the
way dermatology will be in the year 2053. The chemical goop and the
pills they prescribe only treat symptoms (and often with some nasty
side effects for some people.) As long as this is the case these
skin conditions will always be with us.

And why is all the research money going in to developing drugs that
treat symptoms instead of getting to the bottom of what causes these
diseases? I think the drug companies and dermatologists have found
an economic model they are comfortable with. They know that treating
symptoms offers both short term and long term profits. My guess is
that they don't feel that anything else offers anything better
than
what they have now. Where would the drug companies and
dermatologists be if we found that many of these skin diseases could
be resolved with changes to the patient's environment and/or diet?

In my opinion this entire situation is absurd. Patients should
demand better.

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to say that dermatologists are telling people<br />
they<br />
can cure skin diseases. I&#8217;ve been to many dermatologists over<br />
the<br />
years, and I can&#8217;t recall any of them telling me they can cure<br />
anything.</p>
<p>The point I was trying to make is that in my opinion most<br />
dermatologists are not up front about the long term prognosis that<br />
their treatments offer people with skin diseases. They certainly<br />
don&#8217;t tell their patients that they only treat the symptoms and<br />
they<br />
don&#8217;t focus on what causes the disease. And most of them are not<br />
interested in what causes the disease. They show virtually no<br />
interest in exploring the relationship that your diet, stress, the<br />
<!--more--><br />
environment or other factors may have in causing your disease. The<br />
next time you talk with your dermatologist try getting past talking<br />
about treating symptoms and see where the conversation goes. It will<br />
go nowhere.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll never hear a dermatologist say, &quot;I only treat the<br />
symptoms of<br />
your disease, not the cause, so unless your body heals itself nothing<br />
I prescribe for you will offer you a long term resolution of your<br />
skin problem.&quot; But that&#8217;s exactly the way it is. This is<br />
the way<br />
dermatology was fifty years ago, and I bet you money it will be the<br />
way dermatology will be in the year 2053. The chemical goop and the<br />
pills they prescribe only treat symptoms (and often with some nasty<br />
side effects for some people.) As long as this is the case these<br />
skin conditions will always be with us.</p>
<p>And why is all the research money going in to developing drugs that<br />
treat symptoms instead of getting to the bottom of what causes these<br />
diseases? I think the drug companies and dermatologists have found<br />
an economic model they are comfortable with. They know that treating<br />
symptoms offers both short term and long term profits. My guess is<br />
that they don&#8217;t feel that anything else offers anything better<br />
than<br />
what they have now. Where would the drug companies and<br />
dermatologists be if we found that many of these skin diseases could<br />
be resolved with changes to the patient&#8217;s environment and/or diet?</p>
<p>In my opinion this entire situation is absurd. Patients should<br />
demand better.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Imelda Porter</title>
		<link>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-537</link>
		<author>Imelda Porter</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.seborrhoeic-dermatitis.ev-by.org/2004/03/05/what-can-we-do-about-the-practice-of-dermatology/#comment-537</guid>
		<description>ok i have to start disagreeing now. the dermatologist i saw (the first and
only) was completely up front with me about what he could achieve for me. he
never pushed anything my way as a cure. the word 'cure' was never used, i was
told that i could expect 'some help' in controlling the condition. thankfully
mine is a mild case.

also the issues you raise with regard to dermatologists 'focusing on new drugs'.
this is probably the best use of their time to be fair, or at least its the best
use of time from their perspective. they are western doctors and i'm, afraid
the issues you raise with regard to their focus is also a general problem with
western medical philosophy. the shift to a holistic approach is starting,
slowly admittedly, but it is starting. once that is true then the referrals you
mention will become commonplace (i for one can't wait for this).

sorry to seem down on what you say, by and large i do agree with you, but there
&lt;!--more--&gt;
are things that ultimately we ourselves are responsible for and in all honesty
we ourselves are our best hopes for finding what truly works for us in a control
and manage sense. every face a dermatologist (scuse the pun) is faced with is
completely individual and has an entire drug response topology all of its
own...its a hard job, from what i can tell. i'm still trying this and that
cream after nearly 9 months of experimentation, what can a derm really achieve
in 1 half hour consultation?

peace and regards,

jammer
www.jammer.biz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok i have to start disagreeing now. the dermatologist i saw (the first and<br />
only) was completely up front with me about what he could achieve for me. he<br />
never pushed anything my way as a cure. the word &#8216;cure&#8217; was never used, i was<br />
told that i could expect &#8217;some help&#8217; in controlling the condition. thankfully<br />
mine is a mild case.</p>
<p>also the issues you raise with regard to dermatologists &#8216;focusing on new drugs&#8217;.<br />
this is probably the best use of their time to be fair, or at least its the best<br />
use of time from their perspective. they are western doctors and i&#8217;m, afraid<br />
the issues you raise with regard to their focus is also a general problem with<br />
western medical philosophy. the shift to a holistic approach is starting,<br />
slowly admittedly, but it is starting. once that is true then the referrals you<br />
mention will become commonplace (i for one can&#8217;t wait for this).</p>
<p>sorry to seem down on what you say, by and large i do agree with you, but there<br />
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are things that ultimately we ourselves are responsible for and in all honesty<br />
we ourselves are our best hopes for finding what truly works for us in a control<br />
and manage sense. every face a dermatologist (scuse the pun) is faced with is<br />
completely individual and has an entire drug response topology all of its<br />
own&#8230;its a hard job, from what i can tell. i&#8217;m still trying this and that<br />
cream after nearly 9 months of experimentation, what can a derm really achieve<br />
in 1 half hour consultation?</p>
<p>peace and regards,</p>
<p>jammer<br />
<a href="http://www.jammer.biz" rel="nofollow">www.jammer.biz</a></p>
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