Update
Hello all,
I stopped Nizoral a couple of weeks ago because it was starting to
lose effectiveness after 5 months of being pretty good. Now I’ve
switched to selenium sulfide, which has worked very well for me in
the past. First I tried the 1% strength in the Head and Shoulders
Intensive Treatment shampoo on my face. That didn’t seem to make much
of a difference, so this week I upgraded to 2.5% strength which is
found in Exsel shampoo. I haven’t seen much improvement and it is
very drying. I’m having to use a lot of moisturizer. I use Purpose,
and it seems okay. It’s a hard time for me because as much as I try
to be hopeful about the selenium sulfide and patient for it to start
working, I fall back into the routine of worrying that it won’t work,
that it’ll just get worse, etc. Very depressing stuff. So, I’m
thinking I’ll give the selenium sulfide another couple of weeks then
maybe try Protopic. I guess I haven’t tried it yet because it’s so
new and it doesn’t seem to work that well for everyone. Still, I
suppose nothing works perfectly for everyone and it’s worth a try.
I’ve also thought about switching back to Klaron, a rosacea treatment
that worked okay for me a few years ago. Does anyone out there have
any advice or tips or updates on their own condition? Any posts are
greatly appreciated. It’s very comforting to be able to write a note
like this to 60 or 70 people who understand exactly what I’m talking
about. Thank you.
Tim
March 31st, 2003 at 2:58 pm
To Tim and the Group:
I know I’m a little late on the one-week update I promised on my experience
with Protopic. I’m happy to report that things couldn’t be going better. My
skin has improved so dramatically that several people have commented that my
skin actually looks "beautiful." I don’t remember ever looking this clear
and even skin-toned in 15 to 20 years since I first started to have this
problem. Swelling of my skin has gone down to reveal a few wrinkles I never
saw before but at 40, I’ll GLADLY take them in exchange.
I should also point out that I am on a low carb diet and I can’t overlook the
affect this also has on my skin. I have experimented with a few foods since
using Protopic that I always knew caused me problems and a little "pinkness"
came back but I believe this is my rosacea and not sebderm. I haven’t been
able to drink alcohol in several years and I was recently able to tolerate
two pints of stout — I swear the best I ever tasted — with very little
effect. I don’t expect to be able to go off this diet — or that I’ll be
able to drink on any regular basis — but it’s nice to know I can cheat on
special occasions and not have devastating result.
Being down 30 pounds from my low carb diet combined with my new clear skin,
as you can imagine, I’m pretty full of myself. If I continue to see the same
results, Protopic will change my life dramatically. I would strongly
recommend everyone giving it a try.
I’ll update everyone again in a month or so.
Regards,
steve
March 31st, 2003 at 11:20 pm
Tim,
I know exactly what you are dealing with as I have had recent success with
Neutrogena T-gel shampoo on my face–it worked incredible for about three
weeks and I got to the point where I said I could handle looking like this
for the rest of my life.
Now, as is expected, it has stopped working and I am very bummed–the
symptoms actually seem to be getting slightly worse and more persistent–I
have even resorted to going back to using the steroids to help but I know
that this is not a good strategy but at least they work better than anything
else even the rebounds are even more traumatic–I really feel like I am
between a rock and a hard place–I used to get outbreaks maybe once every
two weeks and it would clear up in 2-3 days–now the symptoms are an every
single day thing, it is just trying to control how bad it gets rather than
trying to clear it up.
I have not tried Protopic either but Novartis has just released a new drug
in the same class (TIM) which is supposed to be more tolerable than
Protopic–it is called Elidel by Novartis and I beleive it is availalbe by
presription in the US. I am going to try this next week when I go to the
derm–hopefully he will give it me because it is prescribed mostly for
atopic dermatitis not seb derm but it does not look like there are are
really any side effects as they are using it on babies as well.
Below you will see info on this topical and maybe there is some hope for
us–I have a moderate case of rosacea as well which does not really bother
me as much as the seb derm because the seb derm is all in my eyebrows and
looks absolutely horrible especially as many of my eyebrow hairs have been
falling out everytime I get a flare of seb derm-at least when I had a full
set of bros the seb derm was not so apparent as the bros tended to hid it a
bit but know it is way out there in the open and I am feeling quite
disfigured by this–
anyone else losing brow hairs because of this?–this is really the worst
part for me because as uncommon as seb derm may be, losing your brows is
absoluteley freaky!
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First Non-Steroid Prescription Cream Approved For Mild To Moderate Eczema In
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April 1st, 2003 at 10:30 am
Hi,
Does anyone here suffer from non-rosacea sebderm on the scalp? I’ve been
having awful problems with what i think is seb derm on my scalp…a lot of
oiliness, a lot of hair loss, and this near-constant buildup/residue on my
scalp. I also suffer from an EXTREMELY oily t-zone, and sebderm on the folds
on the outside of my nose. The sebderm in my hair causes me to suffer from
very bad dandruff, and is accelerating my hair loss problem. A lot of hairs
that fall out have a little chunks of scalp/oil/hardened substance on the
end where the root is supposed to grow-I can only hypothesize that this
probably has a factor in the hairloss.
I have been prescribed Nizoral, and I have used that (2%) and regular 1%
with no success. 1% makes my hair somewhat cosmetically pleasing, but doesnt
clear up the problem. I’ve tried head & shoulders (zinc), selsun blue
(selenium sulfide), and even tea tree oil shampoo (from body shop) to no
avail. Periodic rubbing of olive oil in my hair sometimes can looosen up the
buildup a little, but usually does not solve anything. The buildup on scalp
doesnt go away unless I actively scrape at it, which results in more hair
loss, which is why I do not like doing it. I’ve seen two dermatologists who
I could see knew next to nothing. I was prescribed Olux foam (a steroid) and
elocon lotion (another steroid), which I am averse to using because of the
negative things Ive heard regarding it.
If anyone has had a similar problem, or going through similar thing…please
let me know. I’m at wits end, and its really tough to deal with. Has
anything worked for any of you? Thanks.
-Jay
April 1st, 2003 at 9:15 pm
The shampoos you have tried are the ones everyone
talks about, but:
1. Another shampoo is Neutrogena T Gel (specifically
made for seb derm - a tar based product).
2. I have seen people refer to rotating the use of
different shampoos (ie the ones you say, and ‘normal’
non medical ones).
Hope this helps
April 2nd, 2003 at 9:16 am
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April 2nd, 2003 at 3:56 pm
Jay,
What you are describing on your scalp is the same thing that is happening to
my eyebrows–when the dead skin/dried oil comes off so do the hairs–it is
maddening.
It seems that you have tried everyhting that I have except for the coal tar
products like Nuetrogena t-gel–it costs about $6 and worth an experiment as
I did find some initial releif from this product.
The only other suggestion that I have and something that I know will work at
least short term is oral prednisone–I hurt my back a few years ago and was
put on this for two weeks–my seb derm cleared like in two days and my skin
never felt better–I later found out that oral prednisone is used to treat
extreme cases of skin inflamation–it works but it is very dangerous stuff
and you cannot take it long term or it will literally destroy your immune
system–figures that the one thing that works will eventually kill you.
Anyway, I don’t think there is too much risk in doing this for a very short
time like a week or two weeks max at low dosage–the problem is getting a
derm to prescribe it to you as 99% of them won’t give you prdenisone for
skin conditions. However, several months a go I was so frustrated with this
condition that I faked another back injury so that my neurologist would give
me a RX for prednisone–he gave me a two week supply which I stretcted for a
month and again it worked like a charm but I knew what i was doing was very
risky and have not thought about going that route ever again–I would still
rather deal with the seb derm than with possible side effects of prednisone.
April 6th, 2003 at 4:16 pm
Hi Steve,
Thanks for responding. It’s great to hear good news like this. I
might just give Protopic a try. Can you tell me more about your low
carb diet. What have you given up? What are some typical meals for
you?
Thanks, Tim
April 7th, 2003 at 12:34 pm
Hi Ralph,
Thanks for responding to my post. It really is comforting to know
other people are battling with this stuff. I haven’t had any eyebrow
loss because of my seb derm. That must be really tough to deal with.
It’s just awful not being able to rely on your face looking normal.
I’ve heard of Elidel. I’m thinking about giving Protopic or Elidel a
shot. My shampoo on the face rotation has worked great the past
couple of years, but maybe I’m at the end of that run and need to
give it a rest for a while. Man, I wish I could just get some answers
instead of experimenting on myself all the time. Anyway, thanks again
for your reply. Hope things pick up for you. If you haven’t tried
Nizoral or shampoos with selenium sulfide, give those a shot. Also, I
know it’s a steroid and everything, but desowen lotion might be good
for your brows. It’s not too strong a steroid and is quite soothing.
Keep me updated.
Take care, Tim
August 2nd, 2003 at 5:53 am
I just saw a new dermatologist yesterday, Dr. Menard in Minneapolis,
who was recommended by a group member. She seemed to know a lot about
seb derm and rosacea so I think I’ll go back to her. I’ve been using
Klaron (sodium sulfacetamide) with good results for the past 4
months. She said it’s one of the few treatments that actually helps
both seb derm and rosacea. I’ve been using Desowen occasionally to
spot treat some small red, oily patches, but she said suggested
trying Protopic for those, so that’s what I plan to do. If that
doesn’t work for the patches, she wrote me a prescription for a 50/50
combination of Nizoral and Desowen together. She also told me that
she has seen some good results is reducing redness from long term (1
to 2 years) use of Metrolotion. So, I might try that too. Is anybody
else using any of the Metro products - gel, cream or lotion?
That’s the latest.
Tim
August 8th, 2004 at 4:54 am
Hi,
I wanted to give you an update on how things are going with my seb
derm. For the past three weeks I’ve been using Rosanil face wash at
night, then applying DRL - Oily Skin Formula. Plus, I’ve been taking
5000 mg of Vitamin B5 per day. It worked great for those three weeks -
much less oiliness and redness, but for the last two days it’s been
back to the same old problem. I’m not sure what exactly was helping,
but I think it was mostly the DRL. It’s still not as oily as before,
though, so perhaps the B5 is having an effect. It’s really hard to
say because I started all those things about the same time.
I’m not sure what to try next. I think I’ll stick with the Rosanil
because it’s a pretty refreshing facial wash and it can’t hurt to use
it. Same with the B5. It’s not a big deal to take. I might switch
from the DRL to Elidel because I haven’t tried that yet.
My diet (no dairy, alcohol, wheat or sugar) is going fine. I’ve lost
about 15 pounds and feel good. I still crave some of that food, but
it’s really not too hard to stick with it, especially in summer with
all the fresh vegetables and fruits around.
One thing that is very helpful on my redness and oiliness is the
Clean and Clear Oil Absorbing Powder. If you haven’t tried it, give
it a shot. It’s easy to apply and doesn’t look like makeup. It really
cuts down on the shininess of my face. It lasts about 3 or 4 hours,
so you have to reapply it a couple of times. The best thing is that
it allows me to go to work, go out, and have fun, even on days when
my skin really looks bad. It’s reassuring to know that even if my
skin continues to be red and oily, I still have this to fall back on.
I do take comfort in that.
Anyway, that’s the latest from me. Please let me know if you have any
tips.
Tim
August 9th, 2004 at 5:05 am
See Tim,
Just when you think its gone, it bends you over just one more time and fucks
you in the ass. Excuse my language guys. But how frustrating it is!! I
dont have the balls to look myself in the mirror. I shower without the
light off, shave in the dark, and stand 6 ft away from the mirror when i
look at myself. I constanly look at peoples eyes to see if they are looking
at my redness and flakes. Im fucking going crazy here. But hey its a crazy
world. So i think i fit perfectly.
Tony the Baloney the one and only
P.S. Vitamin "B" for bullet always works to
November 7th, 2004 at 1:13 pm
Hi To All, It has been quite a while since I last wrote. I had
purposed not to write until I could talk about sometin that is really
workin for me, but it’s just not forthcomin. But then I thought I
should still write cuz I want u all to know that I am still holdin
on, I haven’t given up yet! Right now, my daily routine is cleansing
with cetaphil bar & I’ve recently added cetaphil moisturizer (which I
apply at nights only). There seems to be a 5-10% improvement on
somedays (face a little bit smoother and enlarged pores just a little
less noticeable), then on other days there is no improvement at all.
Notin to really "wow" about but in this case a little is better than
notin at all. So my search continues, I’m hopin for 100% imoprovement
(gosh, I know I’m bein greedy, but I believe in miracles!) By the way
Goldie, unfortunately, the salt water soaks didn’t work for me. So
stay cool.
Gayelle.
December 17th, 2005 at 5:35 pm
Hey everyone!
Life goes on and this condition seems like a never ending battle and
I’m always the underdog.
I had three V-beam laser appointments a while back which really did
help me a great deal, but things has slowly creeped back and things
are more or less status quo right now. So I’ve decided to give IPL a
chance and booked my first treatment in a couple of weeks. First of
all it’s a lot cheaper than the V-beam, and I’ve learned a few things
I may did wrong when I had my other appointments. According to Dr.
Nase, whom I think most of you are familiar with, you should induce a
really bad flush when having laser done to make it more effectively.
And I’m willing to have IPL, or something similair, done once every 3
och 6 months to keep things under control. It’s a small price to pay
for such relif!
During the past few months I’ve come across Rosacea Care’s product
line and can highly recommend their ultra mild cleanser! I’ve just
ordered a full sized bottle after trying one of their sample kits. I’m
also using their strontium calming lotion. They also have a great
moizturiser and other great stuff! Have a look at rosaceacare.com.
And besides these two products I’ve been using Linda Sy’s ZincO for
more than a year now, another great product I also would like to
recommend to all you people out there!
When it comes to seb derm, my favorite is still DRL. I had a minor
"breakout" a few days ago which is alsmost gone now after a few
applications.
And finally, to those of you who are anything like me, get’s red just
a little too easy sometimes, try a beta blocker. I got my hands on one
and it works like a charm, keeps you calm and makes sure all the blood
in your body doesn’t flow to your face in certain situations.
I hope everyone’s doing well out there!
Take care,
Andy
December 18th, 2005 at 2:44 am
good luck with the IPL, andy. Tell us( as always
) how it goes. I
believe lasers are(and will be in the future) the biggest threat to
skin conditions in general. I haven’t try out some of them, but I hear
Lumenis lasers are pretty effective. BTW, nice beggining of your post.
You said much with one sentence!
Take care,
Ice
December 18th, 2005 at 1:53 pm
Of course I will keep you guys updated!
The thing is that I can’t afford keep running back and forth getting
lasered every month. It sure did help, as I mentioned, but I’d hoped
it would be a more long lasting effect. I have no problem getting some
kind of laser maybe once every six months or something like that, but
I ain’t exactly Donald Trump here and have other things to do with my
money as well. I was thinking if IPL is as effective as V-beam, or
hopefully even more effective, I could have it done once in a while.
December 19th, 2005 at 12:02 am
I just checked out some info in the CoolTouch laser, and it’s a "YAG
laser" (don’t ask), which is exactly what Dr Nase says you should
combine with IPL to most effectively fight rosacea with. This
CoolTouch laser suddenly became a whole lot more interesting…
December 20th, 2005 at 5:29 am
Hello there. I wanted to comment on what you said below - I have
used steroid creams long term basically because that’s what my
dermatologist always prescribed me and at the time I didn’t know any
better (during one extremely bad flare, I was given 6 tubes to take
away with me!!)
However, I’m left with thinned skin as described below - on close
inspection, it looks kind of plasticky, not sure how else to
describe it… and yes, my cheeks and nose are a bit pink (but not
always excessively), and in general my skin is hyper-sensitive - my
face will redden after washing, after applying topicals, etc. though
it does calm down after a few hrs. I’m not going to have anymore
NLite treatments though. They’re too expensive, and each week that I
recovered, I was miserable - I said to myself, that it just wasn’t
worth it
I’m not too bothered about my skin these days - pyschologically, I’m
in a much better place as it’s millions times better than when I
still used the steroid cream and was suffering. I do tend to seek
out the sun too - I wear factor 15 sun protection, which allows me
enough protection from burning but still get the benefits of sun
exposure, as my skin always looks great (i.e. completely sebderm-
blemish free) after a period in the sun - though I know this isnt
for everyone.
Mike
December 20th, 2005 at 3:57 pm
sorry whats p&p’s ??
December 21st, 2005 at 1:47 am
P&Ps = papules and pustules, so basically large acne- type spots that
These have been
aren’t necessarily acne - the Rosacea school of thought believes that
they’re actually caused by immune cells leaking from damaged blood
vessels, although I was never entirely convinced - all I knew was that
I was suddently getting LARGE spots filled with pus all over my face
which I’ve never had before (though I have had acne before, but
nothing like this), and something had to be done
arrested.
December 22nd, 2005 at 8:33 am
in my opinion from my case the acne is caused by
inflamation clogging up oil glands . if u have pus
then you have bacteria trapped as well.
with my sebderm under control now i get no more acne.
but one night earlier in treatment, areas of my face
were very red from alcohol drinking and sure enough
there were small acne bumps the next day in the red
areas.
Minocycline knocked them down
December 22nd, 2005 at 6:23 pm
Mike
December 23rd, 2005 at 4:32 am
I was reluctant to take antibiotics in the first place but the spot
After then, apart from the Cutanix which I’m using at night
problem had suddenly become quite severe. I’ve taken probiotics and
supplements to boost my immune system throughout the duration of
taking this antibiotic, and will continue to take the probiotics and
supplements as a matter of course - there’s only 1 week or so left
of the Clindamycin, so finishing it off isn’t going to do anymore
harm
only, no more chemicals for me - does anyone treat their sebderm
effectively with any herbal topical creams that they can recommend?
thanks, Mike
December 23rd, 2005 at 3:00 pm
only took one or two pills.
thanks for your concern
December 29th, 2005 at 12:46 pm
Further to recent discussion on NLite to rebuild collagen in steroid-
damaged skin, I came across this thread on the new Rosacea board
that I thought might be of interest to some people.
Basically, people are discussing blue/red light therapy (home units)
and how they have converted their home units to all red (as the blue
light is what kills the bacteria that causes acne, whereas red is
purely anti-inflammatory). Red light does the following things to
your skin (is pretty much along the same lines as the NLite
treatment I had in that it is anti-inflammatory and promotes growth
of collagen, except not as concentrated - by way, my skin is very
clear and quite calm, so this is either the NLite kicking in - they
said 12 weeks - or my recent exposure to sun!):
-anti-inflammatory/calming effect on epidermis
-increases circulation to replace damaged bv’s
-stimulates collagen
-stimulates ATP(energy of a cell, increases cells nutrient bsorption
and waste removal)
-increases lymphatic activity
-increases DNA/RNA synthesis
-*reduces excitabilty of nervous tissue
-stimulates fibrolastic activity
-increases phagocytosis(clean up of dead cells)
-stimulates tissue granulation
-stimulates acetylcholine release
-Readily absorbed by the mitochondria and therefore potentially
stimulatory
-Excellent source of stimulation of a range of growth factors
-(Visible)Red Light does not penetrate very effectively below the
skin surface and into the tissue below so(Visible)Red light is the
best for wound healing or superficial conditions but is not the most
effective way to treat deeper injury
Thought it might be interesting to some people anyway.
February 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pm
Hey group,
I just wanted to share a positive experience, for once. I’ve been
taking the full range of supplements which is supposed to be good for
rosaceans, and being one myself, and sebdermian, I decided to try it
for myself. What I take is Barlean’s Omega Twin oil, pycnogenol, grape
seed extract, alpha lipoic acid, ester-C and saw palmetto (not sure
about this last one, but I’ve heard good things about it and wanted to
give it a try). All these things cost, but have actully had a very
positive effect on my skin, and yesterday I got confirmation on this
when my girlfriend said I don’t get as red as I could sometimes
before, especially after doing some… eh, joint exercises perhaps..?
:o) So that felt good to hear!
And since rosacea and seb derm is evil cousins, and one often has a
little of both, maybe this could be something for some of you out
there as well, who up to this point has treated their skin from the
seb derm angle only.
There’s still a lot to do for me though, like trying to re-build my
skin after Accutane-damage from a too high dose a few years back. But
it’s always nice when something good happens, god knows that ain’t
very common!
Andy
February 16th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Hi Group,
Can anyone who has used successfully salcura intensive please report
their findings. I recently used another product in their line which is
a shower gel which has buckthorn in it which really works well
alongside the intensive spray. I spoke to the customer sevice manager
last week due to a problem with my order and he works for the company
because the products cured his roscea. I enquired why the products
aren’t sold in the mainstream and he suggested that many people have a
lot to lose from Salcura’s products being used particulaarly as they
are inexpensive. He has had vets (the products are also used for
animals) say they can’t use them because they are just ‘too good’
which threatens the whole medical drug company relationship which is
so profitable. I was one of the first people to use protopic in the uk
because i forced a GP to perscribe it to me. Even then i couldn’t
understand why a small tube of ointment cost me equivelent of $50-100.
It seems there is a lot of money in eczema generally.
Just thought i would share this.James
May 30th, 2007 at 1:29 am
While I’m making one of my not too frequent stops here these days,
I’ll just take the opportunity to give you all an update of my own
situation. All of you might not remember me, a lot of new members
since I last posted anything, which is really great and I hope you’re
all doing good.
I have a mild rosacea thing going together with seb derm, which has
now been under more or less total control for a few years. And during
the past few months my skin has improved even more, and what I’m using
is a combination of something called Zhongzhou ointment, which kills
Demodex parasites in the skin, Green Tea cream and H&S Intensive
Treatment for both scalp and the suds all over the face, plus 1000 mg
Ester-C and 200 mg Grape Seed Extract. Zinc Gluconate can be good as well.
Dr Syed recently made a new formula for seb derm available with his
Green Tea cream. Expensive yes, but well worth a shot.
Good luck everyone,
Andy